@blitzed In my particular example of this kind of thing, I get told its “internalized transphobia” when I say that while I face certain challenges and difficulties, I’m not oppressed.
And, well, that’s the end of it because I can deny it all I want, but there is no sense in trying to argue with someone who thinks they can read your mind.
@nik @blitzed Well, their “interpretation” of the tea leaves or whatever is that since I secretly hate myself because I’m trans, I go out of my way to deny the mainstream narrative that all trans people are oppressed helpless victims. Its my way to spread my secret internal self loathing around.
@nik @blitzed “across the world” there are a lot of people who have a rough time. If someone is making the case that on Planet Earth there are trans people who are oppressed or in bad/unsafe conditions that’s just a fact. But that rarely applies to western countries where these discussions take place.
With the proper tests, we know with high accuracy if a youth or child is actually trans or not. When we are talking about early transition — a life saving procedure in trans people, btw — we aren’t talking about your nephew who likes to pretend they are a cat we are talking about a process with psychologists and doctors who would begin testing and using blockers to delay the effects of puberty which does not harm the person. I’m not talking about letting little Billy just up and get surgery here, I’m talking about proceeding with blockers under the care of medical staff and with a proper diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. Equating the two, “my newphew thinks he’s a cat” with a recognized and diagnosable medical condition is not the same thing. If you want to bring up that this procedure is often being circumvented by political pressure and woke culture you are certainly correct on this point, but the target shouldn’t be children with G/D but idiot politics and hysterical woke types.
@shebang @nik certainly being stuck in GD must be terrible, but there are the MSM stories about so many who regret goin trans, claiming it is not all it is cracked up to be, and some claim their inside-out wiener, feels in fact like an inside out wiener and they are not a woman. What percent regret? Certainly there have been studies eh?
MSM stories shouldn’t be regarded as accurate. Certainly you are correct, there have been many studies on this.
Transition regret rate appears to be between 0.3% to 3.8% with the note “Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.” (source: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/)
Setting aside the language of “inside out weiner” and just looking to the actual studies presented we have about a 1% regret rate and the number is falling as the procedure continues to improve. (sources: http://www.amsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CareOfThePatientUndergoingSRS.pdf https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15842032/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24872188/ you will need to run the last two through sci-hub).
@georgia @allison @blitzed @nik I’ll just leave this here. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2018.1456390
Bills like the ones you are suggesting are certainly terrible and hateful bills that should be scorned and almost certainly will be. But any politician can introduce a bill and sometimes they introduce really insane ones. Lets see if they get passed as laws.
The link you sent just says “access forbidden” to me until I brought it up on a VPN from a US location — interesting that non-Americans are not intended to see this. And, I have to admit — you are correct. That’s very interesting, it does specifically refer to pushing marriage laws down to the state level which would, I agree, be a significant error.
But we know what this is, right? Its tossing red meat to the evangelicals. I don’t approve the practice but politics is politics. I don’t approve of the Republicans courting the evangelicals anymore than I approve of the Democrats courting marxists.
A counter point I would make as that while many law makers are living in the past, the vast, vast majority of voters (according to a CBS poll) support us, including 71% of republicans. Put bluntly, that policy isn’t even broadly liked by republican voters.
I’ll bring up that I never said we face no problems. Do you feel like you are oppressed?
@icedquinn @nik @shebang So is there a rise in far right Christianity or something there? In sharp contrast, I used to live adjacent to Hillcrest in San Diego. Walkin home from work through town, all manner of folks hootin & hollerin partying, I don't see why straight people get so butthurt over it. Can't we all just get along? everything so razorsharp muh politicals these days
@nik I think I just got lost in the mix of other replies as I had to look and pull up various sources for claims I was making elsewhere in the thread and lost track of things for a bit there. I think I liked the post you are referring to and intended to come back to it but got distracted.
How about I say this, there are perhaps more challenges in certain parts of the USA than I had expected.
For example, I’m not at all passable, people can tell I’m trans despite my best efforts, and I’ll never be able to afford the facial fem (yup — not covered in Canada) that would help with that. Tough luck and its not at all fair that my government doesn’t think that my ability to integrate as smoothly as possible into society isn’t important. But that’s not the same as oppression. People are occasionally rude to me and as a result I tend to be very shy and generally avoid going out when I can. That sucks, and its not fair — but its also not the same as oppression.
Oppression refers to using restrained or suppressed somehow. This is not the case.
However — I do think that having G/D treated as a “minor” condition that can be partially treated and then just left incomplete — whether this is under a federal healthcare program or a private insurance program — is a injustice that I recognize.
(side gripe: Trudeau, the “great ally” of the LGBT community, hasn’t made any steps to remedy this in two terms in office. Some ally.)
@shebang Cool, Commies are the problem.
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